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		<title>Par : crbbsi</title>
		<link>http://www.pierre-martin.fr/2009/11/06/cakephp-nest-pas-mort/comment-page-1/#comment-1517</link>
		<dc:creator>crbbsi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Par : Pierre MARTIN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pierre MARTIN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Nate and thanks for your comment.
I updated the article to mention your remark concerning the way Cake3 was started, and wanted to make things clear about this article goal. It is aimed at giving some information to people who do not know CakePHP very well and read about the fork without exactly knowing what was going on. From these facts, I just wanted to say why &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I&lt;/strong&gt; thought&lt;/em&gt; CakePHP was far from its end (and I know it is not your standpoint, but there is nothing wrong with that :)).

This article (published on my &lt;strong&gt;personal&lt;/strong&gt; blog) is just aimed at summing up what has been said on english channels these last few weeks. There is nothing written here that cannot be found on IRC logs, other blog articles, tweets (some of them removed at the moment) and other public channels known by everyone from the CakePHP community. Nothing discussed with colleagues at CakeDC appears here.

I also hope you (and no-one else) took this as a personal attack, because it was not! You might know I do not think personal issues might be discussed in public, and I appreciate the fact that whatever happened in the core team stayed there and was not publicly used to promote one of these two projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Nate and thanks for your comment.<br />
I updated the article to mention your remark concerning the way Cake3 was started, and wanted to make things clear about this article goal. It is aimed at giving some information to people who do not know CakePHP very well and read about the fork without exactly knowing what was going on. From these facts, I just wanted to say why <em><strong>I</strong> thought</em> CakePHP was far from its end (and I know it is not your standpoint, but there is nothing wrong with that <img src='http://www.pierre-martin.fr/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>This article (published on my <strong>personal</strong> blog) is just aimed at summing up what has been said on english channels these last few weeks. There is nothing written here that cannot be found on <acronym title="Internet Relay Chat">IRC</acronym> logs, other blog articles, tweets (some of them removed at the moment) and other public channels known by everyone from the CakePHP community. Nothing discussed with colleagues at CakeDC appears here.</p>
<p>I also hope you (and no-one else) took this as a personal attack, because it was not! You might know I do not think personal issues might be discussed in public, and I appreciate the fact that whatever happened in the core team stayed there and was not publicly used to promote one of these two projects.</p>
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		<title>Par : Nate Abele</title>
		<link>http://www.pierre-martin.fr/2009/11/06/cakephp-nest-pas-mort/comment-page-1/#comment-1031</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate Abele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Pierre,

Please don&#039;t take my comment the wrong way, because it was great to meet you at CakeFest and I thought we got along quite well. I&#039;d hate to sour that.

Quite honestly, it sounds like you&#039;re just regurgitating the exact same propaganda I&#039;ve heard from everyone else at CakeDC.  Take a look at the current CakePHP core team. Do you notice how almost all of them work for CakeDC? The only 4 non-CDC developers still left on the team now spend most of their time on Lithium anyway.

As far as the project being developed in secret, that is almost entirely untrue.  The *only* person on the dev team who didn&#039;t know about it was Larry.  Every single other person on the CakePHP team (including everyone who was at the team dinner in Buenos Aires at CakeFest 2, i.e. Renan) knew of the existence of Cake3 *months* before it went public.  Only after Larry found out did he decide to take over the CakePHP team with CakeDC developers.

When the CakeDC took over the CakePHP team, this was the beginning of the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Pierre,</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take my comment the wrong way, because it was great to meet you at CakeFest and I thought we got along quite well. I&#8217;d hate to sour that.</p>
<p>Quite honestly, it sounds like you&#8217;re just regurgitating the exact same propaganda I&#8217;ve heard from everyone else at CakeDC.  Take a look at the current CakePHP core team. Do you notice how almost all of them work for CakeDC? The only 4 non-CDC developers still left on the team now spend most of their time on Lithium anyway.</p>
<p>As far as the project being developed in secret, that is almost entirely untrue.  The *only* person on the dev team who didn&#8217;t know about it was Larry.  Every single other person on the CakePHP team (including everyone who was at the team dinner in Buenos Aires at CakeFest 2, i.e. Renan) knew of the existence of Cake3 *months* before it went public.  Only after Larry found out did he decide to take over the CakePHP team with CakeDC developers.</p>
<p>When the CakeDC took over the CakePHP team, this was the beginning of the end.</p>
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